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The Flow Show with Jeff Gross

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Join Jeff Gross in his conversations with the best poker players and industry leaders to learn what sets them apart from the rest.

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Eugene Katchalov / Co-Founder Qlash / WPT Champion / WSOP Champion / $9M+ MTT Earnings

Friday Mar 19, 2021

Friday Mar 19, 2021

Eugene Katchalov is a WPT & WSOP Champion with over $9M in earnings, who has transitioned his poker career into an Esports career. Listen in as Eugene discusses his Soviet Union background, his rise in Poker (including a $2.4M cash), and how he has co-founded and grown the Esports team ‘Qlash.’

 

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Here’s a glance at what you’ll learn from Eugene in this episode: 

 

  • How Eugene chose poker over trading in the early days
  • Leaving the Soviet Union as a child to grow up in America
  • The foundation of Qlash
  • Eugene’s approach to learning & training poker
  • Cashing $2.4M at the Doyle Brunson Classic
  • How Eugene signed with PokerStars (just before Black Friday)
  • How Qlash is different to Esport teams
  • Will NFTs find their way into poker and Qlash?
  • Qlash’s partnership with AC Milan
  • Poker vs Esports: Market size

 

Timestamps:

 

  • 0:00 – Introduction
  • 0:15 – How Eugene Got into Poker
  • 3:30 – Leaving the Soviet Union
  • 6:20 – Gaming, Trading & Watching WSOP
  • 11:55 – How Qlash was formed
  • 18:55 – Las Vegas & Online Poker Cashes
  • 21:30 – What Eugene Does to Train
  • 27:05 – Cashing $2.4M
  • 32:00 – PokerStars Sponsorship
  • 36:20 – Eugene’s Poker Style: Preparation & Strategy
  • 41:25 – Transitioning From Poker to Qlash: Current Plans
  • 45:48 – The Foundations of Qlash
  • 50:00 – The Scope of Qlash
  • 56:30 – How does Esports Grow?
  • 1:00:05 – The Qlash Team
  • 1:03:00 – Sponsorships in Esports
  • 1:05:42 – Favourite Poker Players to Battle With
  • 1:08:10 – Deal with AC Milan
  • 1:10:40 – Structure of PokerStars Deal
  • 1:12:10 – Favourite Style of Poker Tournaments & Hands
  • 1:15:15 – Eugene’s Family Reaction to Poker
  • 1:16:45 – Summary of Poker Career: Advice to Younger Self
  • 1:18:40 – Difference between Poker and Esports
  • 1:22:10 – NFTs and Cryptocurrencies in Esports
  • 1:24:10 – Video Games on the Rise
  • 1:26:25 – Team Structure of Qlash & Fundraising
  • 1:28:05 – How to Invest in Esports / Qlash Exit Strategy
  • 1:33:18 – Building a Bankroll
  • 1:38:15 – Handling Downswings
  • 1:40:55 – Most Embarrassing Poker Moment
  • 1:43:00 – Biggest Goal in Life
  • 1:46:10 – Competition & Conclusion

 

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Peter "CSURAM88" Jennings / Co-Founder Fantasy Labs / DFS Legend

Saturday Mar 13, 2021

Saturday Mar 13, 2021

Peter “CSURAM88” Jennings joins Jeff to discuss Daily Fantasy Sports, NFTs & Fantasy Labs. Listen in as Peter describes how he co-founded Fantasy Labs, which includes a story of how he got an investment from Mark Cuban and played a round of golf with Tiger Woods. You’ll hear Peter’s thoughts on NFTs, the current state of sports betting and how Fantasy Labs plans to grow.

 

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Here’s a glance at what you’ll learn from Peter in this episode: 

 

  • What DFS (Daily Fantasy Sports) is
  • How Poker led Peter to Fantasy Labs
  • NFTs, Bitcoin, Investments: How to be there at the right time
  • The current state of sports betting
  • How Fantasy Labs works
  • How Mark Cuban Helped Fantasy Labs
  • How Poker led Peter to Tiger Woods and Mark Cuban
  • Sweating with millions of dollars on golf
  • Winning with a Single Homerun
  • What Peter’s parents’ reactions were to him working in the betting industry
  • What it’s like winning $1M
  • How 2020 Impacted Peter’s Industry

 

Timestamps:

 

  • 0:15 – Introduction
  • 0:45 – How Poker Led Peter to Fantasy Labs
  • 4:30 – Draft Kings, How Jeff Missed Out on an Investment
  • 7:20 – NFTs, Bitcoin, Investments: Being there at the right time
  • 9:00 – Managing Emotions
  • 11:30 – Becoming a Father
  • 13:25 – NFTs
  • 18:20 – The Mount Rushmore of Sports Betting
  • 20:50 – Betting/Sport Card Industry
  • 25:20 – Fantasy Labs: Foundation/How it Works
  • 33:30 – Meeting Tiger Woods and Mark Cuban
  • 36:30 – Getting into DFS
  • 43:30 – Selling Action
  • 47:00 – David Kaplen
  • 49:00 – The Concept of a Deal in DFS / The Betting Industry
  • 59:55 - $1M on the Redsox
  • 1:02:00 – Parents Reaction to Peter Working in the Betting Industry
  • 1:08:22 – Winning $1M at a Live Final
  • 1:11:30 – How 2020 Impacted Peter’s Game
  • 1:16:20 – Working Together in DFS
  • 1:23:15 – Looking at DFS Statistics
  • 1:31:00 – Playing Golf
  • 1:33:40 – Investments in Fantasy Labs
  • 1:36:50 – Gary Vaynerchuk / Different NFTs / Being Bullish
  • 1:41:50 – Playing Charity Poker
  • 1:43:52 – Twitch Questions
  • 1:48:20 – Giveaway and Conclusion

 

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HeyMonia / Twitch streamer / partypoker Team Online

Wednesday Mar 10, 2021

Wednesday Mar 10, 2021

HeyMonia (Monika Agnieszka Zukowicz) joins Jeff to discuss the state of poker in Europe, how she got into poker and how she went from a socially shy person to a recognizable player. Listen in as Jeff and HeyMonia discuss her upbringing in Poland and how the online poker ban has affected playing in Europe. You’ll also hear the story of how HeyMonia’s

apartment caught on fire during a live stream, along with how she had to drive an old broken down car cross country due to losing a poker challenge.

 

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Here’s a glance at what you’ll hear from Monika (HeyMonia) in this episode: 

 

  • How Monika got into poker.
  • Burning your apartment down on live stream!
  • Convincing friends and family that poker is a legit route to go down.
  • How to break through social anxiety and perform in public.
  • How HeyMonia & Poland is dealing with the online poker ban.
  • What Europe is like for playing Poker.
  • What Monika is doing to improve her poker game.
  • How women are represented in Poker and is there a need for forced diversity?
  • The journey from a socially shy person to a recognizable poker player.
  • Getting over the stigma of poker players before playing poker.

 

Timestamps:

 

  • 0:00 – Introduction
  • 0:15 – Moving Apartments
  • 1:05 – Who is HeyMonia?
  • 2:30 – Getting into Poker
  • 12:10 – First Commentating Experience
  • 14:45 – Starting Twitch & YouTube
  • 16:20 – Online Poker in Poland
  • 20:15 – What Poland is like
  • 23:30 – Becoming a Scientist
  • 26:30 – HeyMonia’s Relationship
  • 29:50 – Craziest Poker Challenge
  • 33:10 – Being a Professional Player
  • 37:00 – Popularity of Poker in Europe
  • 40:05 – Judo
  • 43:20 – COVID-19
  • 47:40 – Streaming with partypoker
  • 49:45 – Improving Poker Skills
  • 51:30 – Women In Poker
  • 58:20 – Future Goals
  • 1:02:09 – Learning PLO, Stigma & Languages
  • 1:07:45 – Dream Place to Live & Advice to Start Playing Poker
  • 1:10:30 – Dealing with Twitch Transparency
  • 1:12:20 – Overcoming Obstacles
  • 1:16:25 – The Best Part of Being with partypoker
  • 1:20:10 – Hobbies Outside of Poker
  • 1:23:05 – Coping with Moving
  • 1:24:30 – Mentors in Poker
  • 1:27:52 – Favourite Sports
  • 1:30:45 – Favourite Tournament
  • 1:32:55 – Episode Competition
  • 1:33:20 - Conclusion

 

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Daniel Negreanu / GG Ambassador / 6 WSOP Bracelets / $42M Total Live Earnings

Wednesday Mar 10, 2021

Wednesday Mar 10, 2021

Daniel Negreanu, known as ‘Kid Poker,’ joins us today to discuss his feuds, upcoming battles and his thoughts on the current state of poker. Listen in as Daniel discusses his recent feud with Phil Hellmuth and what his plan and strategy is going into the High Stakes Duel. You’ll also hear Daniel discuss his work with Masterclass, how the “big players” still work on their game, and how poker can innovate itself to create a new boom.

Daniel Negreanu has $42M in total live earnings, 6 WSOP Bracelets and is currently the GGPoker Ambassador.

 

Here’s a glance at what you’ll learn from Daniel Negreanu in this episode: 

  • The feud between Daniel and Phil Hellmuth.
  • Daniel’s approach to poker over the last five years.
  • How to resolve feuds on the table and stay friendly outside of poker.
  • Getting into your stride at the start of a tournament instead of halfway through.
  • Daniel’s thoughts on the current state of poker and how people can’t access online poker.
  • What Daniel’s experience has been in switching sponsors.
  • The experience of creating the Masterclass course.
  • Do the “big players” still work on their game?
  • Why Daniel signed with GGPoker.
  • What the fondest moment of Daniel’s career was.

 

Timestamps:

  • 0:00 – Introduction
  • 0:20 – COVID-19 & 2020
  • 1:48 – Phil Hellmuth Feud
  • 10:05 – How Daniel Changed His Game
  • 15:45 – Doug Polk Challenge / Jason Mercier Feud
  • 22:00 – Betting Action on Phil vs Daniel
  • 27:30 – The Current State of Poker
  • 31:05 – Switching Sponsors
  • 40:40 – Masterclass
  • 43:45 – Do “Big Players” Work on Their Game?
  • 48:30 – NFT’s & Crypto
  • 50:45 – Connor McDavid & Sport Card Collecting
  • 56:50 – A New Poker Boom? Ideas to Grow Poker
  • Twitch Questions:
    • 1:07:30 – Choosing GGPoker
    • 1:12:58 – Women & Diversity in Poker
    • 1:18:36 – Battle with Doug Polk, enjoyable?
    • 1:22:30 – Managing a Tournament
  • 1:24:28 – Reaching the Top of the All Time Money List
  • 1:29:20 – Fondest Moment of Daniel’s Career
  • 1:33:22 – $100 Competition & Ticket Giveaway
  • 1:34:20 – Conclusion 

 

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Why Every Entrepreneur Should Learn to Play Poker! With Jeff Gross and Shane Neman of Neman Ventures

Friday Mar 05, 2021

Friday Mar 05, 2021

Shane Neman, the founder of Neman Ventures and an investor, shares why every entrepreneur should learn to play poker. He talks about his businesses and what poker taught him about entrepreneurship, and he shares his best recommendations for young investors. Tune in to hear Shane share the importance of resilience, emotional intelligence, and maintaining momentum – and learn what people do in business and poker so they don’t lose their minds under pressure.

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Time Stamped Show Notes:                                                                                                              

  • 00:00 – 17:30 – Introducing Shane, his businesses and what they do, the investments he makes, the power of text messaging, and what they did with email campaigns.
  • 17:30 – 26:30 – Poker as the best analog to real life, poker versus chess, his experience investing and with investors, and what he recommends to young investors.
  • 26:30 – 36:00 – Investing vs. poker, having discipline and setting systems, his first start-up attempt, and what poker has taught him about entrepreneurship, resilience, and EQ.
  • 36:00 – 56:00 – Ways to not go crazy, staying results-oriented, his experience with COVID, breathing and Wim Hof, the role of luck, preventing over-confidence, and Jeff’s motto.
  • 56:00 – 01:03:30 – Constant progress, taking the first step, how odds and outcomes apply in business, what happened when he sold his business, and what he learned.
  • 01:03:30 – Bitcoin, trading, the journey of starting a business, and Shane’s outside-the-box advice for anyone wanting to start a business.

 

3 Key Points

  • Poker is the best analog to life.
  • Resilience and emotional intelligence are key to success in poker and life.
  • Take the first step!

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Phil Galfond II / Founder of Run It Once / PLO Legend / $3M career tournament earnings

Friday Feb 26, 2021

Friday Feb 26, 2021

Phil Galfond, the founder of Run It Once and a PLO legend with $3M career tournament earnings, shares the inside scoop on his challenge against VeniVidi and how he kept his head on straight during his big downswing. He talks about Run It Once training, how to approach studying with videos, and his predictions of the future of online poker. Tune in to hear Phil break down how he stays motivated and focused, his favorite poker tools, and where he slips when it comes to work-life balance – and learn what’s happening on the ground in Vegas.

 

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Time Stamped Show Notes:                                                                                                              

  • 00:00 – 26:00 – The inside scoop on the challenge with VeniVidi, what he did during the challenge, how it felt, and his thoughts on other players.
  • 26:00 – 39:00 - Phil’s workday structure, work-life balance, the Jungle Man and Bill Perkins challenges, and what he thinks of the poker content that’s out there.
  • 39:00 – 45:00 – Information about Run It Once training, what he loves about Elliot Roe’s course and other big courses, and how to approach video studying.
  • 45:00 – 57:30 – Run It Once, the world of online poker, news and updates, how it works to try and enter the US, and his predictions of the future of live poker.
  • 57:30 – 01:14:00 – Phil’s invitation to play, site promotions and personal brands in challenges, Vegas and Vancouver, and how he stays motivated and focused for downswings.
  • 01:14:00 – 01:36:30 – Investing, education, the tools that are out there to improve your game, the purest form of poker, and what’s happening in Vegas.
  • 01:36:30 – 01:54:30 – Accountability, the area where he can slip and wants to improve, why he doesn’t have an official system, and other players that he admires.

 

3 Key Points

  • Think on your feet.
  • Hold yourself accountable.
  • Recognize where you can do better and work on it!

 

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Kahle Burns / High Roller Poker Player / $10M+ in career tournament earnings

Sunday Feb 21, 2021

Sunday Feb 21, 2021

Kahle Burns, a High Roller Poker Player with $10M+ in career tournament earnings, shares how he got into poker, what he has done to improve his game, and how it felt to make the final table. He talks about tournaments and cash games, his winning streaks, and the different playing styles he observes in different countries. Tune in to hear Kahle break down what he did to improve his game, how his studying evolved over time, and what he prioritizes when goal-setting – and learn what he thinks is really behind the restrictions around online poker.

 

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Time Stamped Show Notes:                                                                                                              

  • 00:00 – 25:00 – His experience with COVID, his poker successes, how he got into poker, what he has done to improve his game, and how it felt to make the final table.
  • 25:00 – 45:00 – Poker in Australia and Asia, moving from tournaments to cash games, and his thoughts on PLO and No-Limit Hold ‘Em.
  • 45:00 – 01:03:00 – Reviewing his big wins, playing international tournaments, his concentrated playing, what he thinks about late registering, and what he loves to play.
  • 01:03:00 – 01:28:00 – On studying the best players, his studying process, who he studies, how he gains edges on people, solvers, why he raised money, and his poker breaks.
  • 01:28:00 – 01:48:00 – Other fun games, online poker, his comfort with tournaments, his favorite hands, the difference in betting and playing style based on country, and restrictions in Australia.
  • 01:48:00 – 02:08:00 – The number of tables he likes to play, what he thinks of HUDs, why he prioritizes things he enjoys that move him closer to his goals, and what he thinks of his game.

 

3 Key Points

  • Draw macro-lessons from what you see when you study hands.
  • Take breaks when you need it!
  • Do things you enjoy that also move you closer to your goals.

 

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Finks / Agent / London Cohen / MOF

Friday Feb 12, 2021

Friday Feb 12, 2021

Mark Finks, an agent and founder of London Cohen, shares his background, how he became an agent, and the biggest lessons he’s learned on his journey. He talks about regret, the markets, and commercial real estate in California and New York, and reveals what’s trending in real estate and entertainment. Tune in to hear Finks break down why he thinks there’s something not right in the world right now, and learn how he thinks we should be handling COVID.

 

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Time Stamped Show Notes:                                                                                                              

  • 00:00 – 17:00 – On winning his first hand, his background, becoming an agent, who he represents, and the biggest lessons he’s learned on his journey.
  • 17:00 – 24:00 – His thoughts on regret, commercial real estate in California versus New York, what he thinks about the markets, and some talk about sports cards.
  • 24:00 – 32:00 – What he’s excited about, what’s trending in real estate and entertainment, what he think is going to happen in the future, and his thoughts about New York and Miami.
  • 32:00 – 46:00 – COVID and mental health, exercise, why the times are scary right now, Men of Finks, why there’s something not right with what’s happening, and what he’s excited about.
  • 46:00 – 59:00 – London Cohen, the nightlife and restaurant business, how he thinks we should handle COVID precautions, and his political views.
  • 59:00 – 01:06:00 – On his cursing, being a fish, being a real estate agent, Men of Finks, hurdles of today, and his relationship with his kid.

 

3 Key Points

  • Don’t waste time.
  • People are going through a lot right now.
  • Be yourself.

 

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Convolk / Artist / Producer

Thursday Feb 11, 2021

Thursday Feb 11, 2021

Convolk, an artist and producer, shares his dreams and uncertainties about the future, what inspires him to create music, and how to tap into the soul or spirit in music. He reveals how the music industry has changed over the years, his inspiration, and why he loves the process of making music. Tune in to hear Alex explain the similarities between poker and music, how to start recording from home, and the biggest lesson he’s learned about discipline – and learn why honesty is his superpower.

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  • 00:00 – 18:00 – How the music industry has changed, his connection to poker, his channel and fanbase, his inspiration, how the music is made, and his origin story.
  • 18:00 – 34:00 – The process, what he thinks about his future, mental health, the pressures of always improving, the origin of his name, his genre of music, and why it’s unique.
  • 34:00 – 52:00 – Stories of special fans, how he feels onstage, his superpower, how to start recording music, and his biggest lesson learned about grinding and laziness.
  • 52:00 – 01:11:00 – Balancing what you want in life, turning problems into power, the connection between success and discipline, and his poker plans and goals.
  • 01:11:00 – 01:27:00 – Poker exploitations, creative play, discipline, being open to being wrong, listening to input, and how he structures his poker play.
  • 01:27:00 – 01:39:00 – His favorite hands, where he likes to play live, streaming, where you can find his music, the talent he sees in the industry, and how you can keep in touch.

3 Key Points

  • Do what you love.
  • Always come back to the table.
  • Be honest.

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Chris Moneymaker / 2003 WSOP Main Event Champion / ACR Ambassador

Saturday Feb 06, 2021

Saturday Feb 06, 2021

Chris Moneymaker, an ACR ambassador and the 2003 WSOP Main Event Champion, shares some career highlights, the dangers of early success, and what he does to boost his game. He recalls past hands, biggest bluffs, and big scores and shares his daily mantra when he won the WSOP. Tune in to hear what Chris does to control his emotions and learn how the game has evolved over nearly two decades.

 

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Time Stamped Show Notes:                                                                                                              

  • 00:00 – 30:00 – Why he left PokerStars, his experience with them, why he’s happy to be with ACR, tournament reminiscing, and some hand highlights.
  • 30:00 – 45:00 – Final tabling, how he instinctually played, his daily mantra, hand histories, how he used to play, and his big bluff.
  • 45:00 – 01:03:00 – What he wishes he could’ve done differently, how he got sponsored, why he joined ACR, his biggest score, and his marriage.
  • 01:03:00 – 01:26:00 – Recounting his past big plays, what he thinks about early success, why he got complacent, and what he does to improve his game.
  • 01:26:00 – 01:41:00 – Staying at home, being with his kids, what his schedule will be like, why there’s more money in sports betting, and sports cards.
  • 01:41:00 – 02:10:00 – On having the button, having fun, skill, luck, when he plays and cashes in, controlling emotions, what he thinks of HUDs, and his favorite food.

 

3 Key Points

  • Don’t get complacent.
  • Study!
  • Early success doesn’t guarantee continued success.

 

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